Pakistan Says "Yes"
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I was concerned about that and still am.
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I doubt anything that extreme with go on. Our military is more than capable without using nuclear weapons.
unclehobart
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Fellas, Their nukes are feeble insofar as range goes. Indian nukes are good for 1500 miles and Pakistani nukes are good for about 900. The homefront need not worry about that. A nearby navy, yes... the continental US...no way.
unclehobart
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What pals? The only thing those 2 can hit is each other, Nepal, Bhutan, SW China, Burma/Myanmar, Iran, Bangladesh, Afghanistan. Israel is waaay out of range by a good 2000 miles. The tech of their nukes isn't good. India's nukes are akin to second rate SCUDs. Pakistan's nukes are super low tech deadfire rockets. Neither has plans to make long range high tech rockets because they built them to point at each other. They can't nuke a fleet in the region because they use old school slow atmospheric rockets. We can shoot those down in a heartbeat.
China and Russia are in that region as well. Their nukes are good enough to pinpoint a fleet with untouchable space style intercontinental ballstic missiles.
I'm not sure why you think India would give a damn. All of the action would take place 2 countries removed to the NW. Pakistan could be a decent stepping stone to get to Afghanistan... except that they have something like 130 million population with 500,000 soldiers and 450 combat aircraft. Granted they aren't as high tech as we are, but we wouldn't have a Saudi Arabia to stage from this time. Any force landing would be frisky and risky at best. They use mostly MiG-27's and F-16s. We knw that their army is decently equiped because we have been the one selling them arms.
China and Russia are in that region as well. Their nukes are good enough to pinpoint a fleet with untouchable space style intercontinental ballstic missiles.
I'm not sure why you think India would give a damn. All of the action would take place 2 countries removed to the NW. Pakistan could be a decent stepping stone to get to Afghanistan... except that they have something like 130 million population with 500,000 soldiers and 450 combat aircraft. Granted they aren't as high tech as we are, but we wouldn't have a Saudi Arabia to stage from this time. Any force landing would be frisky and risky at best. They use mostly MiG-27's and F-16s. We knw that their army is decently equiped because we have been the one selling them arms.
Pakistan, Germany, Israel, France 
, Canada, Russia 
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and even NATO, for the first time in its history, okayed to "right" of a soverign nation to begin offensive action.
Someone, somewhere, has "...awakened a sleeping giant..." and had better be shaking in thier boots.
, Canada, Russia ....and even NATO, for the first time in its history, okayed to "right" of a soverign nation to begin offensive action.
Someone, somewhere, has "...awakened a sleeping giant..." and had better be shaking in thier boots.
unclehobart
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Hmm... We actually got NATO backup on this one? ...and with Russian sympathies? ... wow. All we need now if for China to turn a blind eye and we can get down to some serious business.
www.nato.int
"If it is determined that this attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty," stated NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson, after a meeting of the North Atlantic Council on the evening of 12 September.
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty stipulates that an armed attack against one or several members shall be considered as an attack against all. Lord Robertson will now officially inform the UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, that the North Atlantic Council has agreed this statement.
NATO member countries and Russia strongly reiterated their anger and indignation at the brutal acts committed against New York and Washington D.C. during a meeting of the NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council (PJC), 13 September. In a press statement, they expressed their deepest sympathy with the victims and families and stated that they would intensify cooperation under the NATO-Russia Founding Act to defeat terrorism. "NATO and Russia are united in their resolve not to let those responsible for such an inhuman act to go unpunished." They called on the international community to unite in the struggle against terrorism.
"If it is determined that this attack was directed from abroad against the United States, it shall be regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty," stated NATO Secretary General, Lord Robertson, after a meeting of the North Atlantic Council on the evening of 12 September.
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty stipulates that an armed attack against one or several members shall be considered as an attack against all. Lord Robertson will now officially inform the UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan, that the North Atlantic Council has agreed this statement.
NATO member countries and Russia strongly reiterated their anger and indignation at the brutal acts committed against New York and Washington D.C. during a meeting of the NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council (PJC), 13 September. In a press statement, they expressed their deepest sympathy with the victims and families and stated that they would intensify cooperation under the NATO-Russia Founding Act to defeat terrorism. "NATO and Russia are united in their resolve not to let those responsible for such an inhuman act to go unpunished." They called on the international community to unite in the struggle against terrorism.
unclehobart
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Still no word from the Madarin horde though, eh?
unclehobart
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The Japanese just got nailed by a typhoon. Priorities, y'know.
Looks to me like we might get some cooperation:
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/09/13/china.reax/index.html
Fairly strong words from the Chinese.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/09/13/china.reax/index.html
Fairly strong words from the Chinese.
unclehobart
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In other words: "What bribes and concessions can we expect in order that we turn a blind eye in the UN Security Council?"
THE UN-
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/SC7143.doc.htm
SECURITY COUNCIL CONDEMNS, ‘IN STRONGEST TERMS’,
TERRORIST ATTACKS ON UNITED STATES
Unanimously Adopting Resolution 1368 (2001),
Council Calls on All States to Bring Perpetrators to Justice
The Security Council today, following what it called yesterday’s "horrifying terrorist attacks" in New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania, unequivocally condemned those acts, and expressed its deepest sympathy and condolences to the victims and their families and to the people and Government of the United States.
Council members departed from tradition and stood to unanimously adopt resolution 1368 (2001), by which they expressed the Council's readiness to take all necessary steps to respond to the attacks of 11 September and to combat all forms of terrorism in accordance with its Charter responsibilities.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2001/SC7143.doc.htm
SECURITY COUNCIL CONDEMNS, ‘IN STRONGEST TERMS’,
TERRORIST ATTACKS ON UNITED STATES
Unanimously Adopting Resolution 1368 (2001),
Council Calls on All States to Bring Perpetrators to Justice
The Security Council today, following what it called yesterday’s "horrifying terrorist attacks" in New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania, unequivocally condemned those acts, and expressed its deepest sympathy and condolences to the victims and their families and to the people and Government of the United States.
Council members departed from tradition and stood to unanimously adopt resolution 1368 (2001), by which they expressed the Council's readiness to take all necessary steps to respond to the attacks of 11 September and to combat all forms of terrorism in accordance with its Charter responsibilities.