This makes me recall hearing about Altamont... you know, that free concert thing... The mood there was generally nasty, the security (Hell's Angels) got into skirmishes with the crowd, and when the bands tried to start songs, the crowd kept starting another riot. After the concert ended, an entire era was all but ended. You can kind of associate that with the ending of the OT forum at HWC, every time the moderators would try to speak and get people to calm the flaming and fighting down, more would pop up. Even if the OT forum there was brought back, it will never be the same as it was.