Media Bias?

[Gonzo]

Read some of this, or other, boards discussions about the Israelis butchering the palestinians, or the Israelis defending themselves & the opinion wil run the gamut. One of the things said most is "why do the Israelis target women & children" yet hardly anyone mentions that is what the suicide-murderers do almost exclusively.

Why the hatred for the Jews? Notice there's been almost no coverage of the Arabs in France bombing synagogues & burning Jewish homes & businesses. And even less coverage of the fact that 2 of the recent palestinian suicide murderers were less than 13 years old. Or that a palestinian woman was caught carrying C4 (or it's equivalent) dressed as a pregnant woman. If the palestinians can only fight with rocks while the Israeli military uses American weapons, where are all these explosives coming from? There seems to be an awful lot of rifles being confiscated from the West Bank, for an unarmed civilian populace.

Why doesn't the media tell the simple truth:
there is not now, nor has there ever been a Palestine
there are approximately 2 million Arabs living in Israel-owning businesses & homes & not blowing up their neighbors
palestinians are nomads who left the Israeli area only to return upon the Jews showing prosperity
Arafat & the palestinians have been kicked out of Lebanon for destabilizing the Lebanese Gov't
Arafat has his wife & daughter living in France
Saudi Arabia has raised over 92 million dollars in a telethon to help the palestinians just in the last few days
King Hussein of Jordan, after a war with his military expelled the PLO & Arafat from his country

Arafat & the PLO are common terrorists-nothing more. Yet the Arabs use them like puppets to keep the area in turmoil. Now, the Arab nations are accusing the Jews of nazi-like atrocities. Shouldn't the Israelis just finish the war started in 1948 & be done with it? There are 5 million Jews & 100 million Arabs-seems fair to me.


an Arab news political cartoon:

 

[Noite Escura]

there is not now, nor has there ever been a Palestine

I don't know what you mean by that. The arabs live there since the 11th century and despite have never constituted an independent state they have peculiar characteristics that make them different in certain aspects from arabs living in other regions.
They have been fighting for their independence with more will sice the British rule (1916).

there are approximately 2 million Arabs living in Israel-owning businesses & homes & not blowing up their neighbors

That's fine. I hope their homes and business are not being violated/destructed by the current military operations.

palestinians are nomads who left the Israeli area only to return upon the Jews showing prosperity

I have read much about the conflict (and will read much more) and I never found anything that can relate to this. The palestinians aren't nomads. Like I said above the arabs live there since a long time. The native palestinians(descendants from canaanites) were there even before the jews arrived.

Arafat & the palestinians have been kicked out of Lebanon for destabilizing the Lebanese Gov't

'til I know they quit after Israeli intervention in Lebanon, supporting the Christian pro-Israel government in the early 80's

Arafat has his wife & daughter living in France

What it has to do with? There are millions of jews that live around the world too. So what?

Saudi Arabia has raised over 92 million dollars in a telethon to help the palestinians just in the last few days

...and?

Arafat & the PLO are common terrorists-nothing more.

Have being formerly terrorists doesn't prevented Menahen Beguin and Ariel Sharon of being elected and publicly accepted as authorities.
In truth there are radicals and moderates at both sides. Unhappily the radicals are dictating the rules there for so much time. I agree with s4 only when they got sick of violence the conflict will meet an end.

 

[Gonzo]

despite have never constituted an independent state...

which means there is not nor ever has been a Palestine.

Nomads refers to the fact that these people have no homeland & have wandered the desert for 2000 years...in search of Jews to harrass

his wife & daughter are living the high life in Paris (or whatever city) while his people go hungry & blow themselves up in Pizza Parlors

$92 million would go a long way towards buying homes for the palestinians in Jewish areas, which is, by the way, their "homeland".

Sharon & Beguin were duly elected by the people of the state of Israel. Sharon was aquitted for war crimes...how can a people with no centralized government elect a leader?

The Arabs living peaceably in Israel don't have a problem because they don't want to blow civilians up.

 

[Noite Escura]

which means there is not nor ever has been a Palestine.

Until 1776 there wasn't a United States too. That means it doesn't deserve the right to exist?

Nomads refers to the fact that these people have no homeland & have wandered the desert for 2000 years...in search of Jews to harrass

Wrong. People that live there is formed by native inhabitants that lived there since 3000 BC and mostly by arabs that taken that place from the crusaders around the 11th century. That place IS their homeland.

$92 million would go a long way towards buying homes for the palestinians in Jewish areas, which is, by the way, their "homeland".

I don't know if I understand the point. Do you think private property will help in having autonomy? Well, they owned 90+% of the land before 1947. That only granted them 47% of their land in the infamous UN's resolution. Why would you think it would do any difference now?

Sharon & Beguin were duly elected by the people of the state of Israel. Sharon was aquitted for war crimes...how can a people with no centralized government elect a leader?

And how can a people have a centralized government without a leader? What came first the egg or the chicken? How can a people that was neglected the right of having their own homeland have a centralized government? What brings us again to the point: they deserve or not have their own country? I do think, you don't.

The Arabs living peaceably in Israel don't have a problem because they don't want to blow civilians up.

Oh, I feel much better now that you have assured me .

 

[Gonzo]

You misunderstand me Noite. I do think they deserve a homeland. I'm pointing out that the palestinian people keep saying it's ours, when technically it's not. The argument that this tribe has been there since the Caananites doesn't hold water, the Jews have been there too. This land has been turned over many, many times. Check out http://www.xibase.com/vB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4029 and look at the dates & the map.

This could go on forever (ask the Arabs & the Jews). Israelis deserve to live in peace, not pieces. The palestinians deserve the same as long as they don't try to detroy their neighbors.

 

[Noite Escura]

Well it's hard to consider that by your comments in the first post, although I know you're upset with terrorism after all that happened. Just keep in mind terrorism was largely used by the Israelis before independence in 1948.
Technically the land it's not from neither of them. But IF I had to decide for one side I would say it was more of the palestinians. They has been living there for centuries. 95% of the jews that lived there by 1947 has migrated from other regions of the world. I'm not saying they do not have the right to live there, I'm just saying they COULD have moved to another place (Which doesn't matter anymore because they're established there by now too).
Checked the thread, downloaded the timeline. Here is another one you might want to check: http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html
It's a little palestine biased (it's hard to find anything related to this topic that isn't biased for one side) but the history of the land before 1914 it's fairly accurate, judging by what I know of another historical sources. From 1914 to 1948 it has some curious info(read with an eye open another closed). Ignore from 1949 on.
Last, Gato_Solo's comments on the other thread are valid. UK has a great blame on all that happened. First they promised to all Arab nations they would be given independence if they fought for their side against the Otoman domain in WWI(which hasn't happened, probably that's why most arab states stood by the axis side in WWII). Second they promised the jews they would make that land(all of Palestine territory) a jew state(in 1917).

 

[Gonzo]

I started this thread in reference to the bias against the Israeli's in the press. It seems to me that there is little to no coverage of the atrocities committed against them in other parts of the world by Arabs. Since (just a made up example) 600,000 Egyptians in Holland have nothing to do with Palestinians in the West Bank, why are the harassing Jews? There is no connection, other than a religious bias. And you have to really look to find any reports of it. It just seems curious that we hear about nothing except the nazi-like Israelis massacring wimins & chillin'. It needs to stop. Period.

You're right Noite, it seems that all historys written have a bias toward or against one side. That's why I've read several of the less biased ones & kept the commonalitites & thrown out the singularities. Much of the first part of this thread is because everybody feels bad for the palestinians and know so little about the true story. Even that is debatable. My belief is, one side or the other will have to decisevely beat the other side in an all out war before anything is settled.

This is the most concise thing I've ever read about the history of Palestine:

Territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, in what is now modern Israel. It was part of the ancient kingdom of Judah. The Jews were expelled by Rome after the year 135; since then Palestine (Syria Palestina under the Roman empire) has been populated predominantly by Arabs. The region was converted to Islam in the seventh century. Under Ottoman control from 1517 to 1918, Palestine was made a British mandate by the League of Nations. Mass immigration of European Jews had already begun in the late 19th century, and the Balfour Declaration (1917) encouraged the arrival of others, leading to conflict with the Arab majority. Paletine was incorporated into Israel in 1948, and conflict has continued ever since.