TURN YOUR TV ON NOW!!

Discussion in 'The Speak Easy' started by Noite Escura, Sep 11, 2001.

  1. Huge

    Huge Holla if you hear me! Staff Member

    No, it's severly damaged as of right now. It's the brown one with the glass domes on top. Sort of blocky-shaped. I'll see if I can find a pic...
     
  2. Huge

    Huge Holla if you hear me! Staff Member

    here it is
     

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  3. trinity1

    trinity1 1 of 3

    And Huge, I was working nights in the American Express tower to the left of your building for close to a year.
    I wonder what has happened to the WinterGarden Atrium during all this catastophe? I had spent many an hour in that beautiful place ( which is especially breathtaking around the Christmas holidays.)

    A photo for those who never been there...
     

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  4. trinity1

    trinity1 1 of 3

    And what did you see as you walk up to the front of the WinterGarden, and looked up through the glass roof....
     

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  5. Professur

    Professur Mushroom at large

    Not to be crass, but Huge, your view of the skyline just improved.

    And again, not to be crass, but this is the US's chance to regain the title to the tallest building again. Or do you think that the site of the WTC will become a memorial park?
     
  6. unclehobart

    unclehobart this is my special title

    The real estate is worth too much to just slap a memorial on it. Its the very heart of the financial district. There were 50,000 employed there. If Disney can build a theme park at Gettysburg, then monuments have become a passing joke in this nation. If you need a memorial, I say rebuild those puppies and make the observation deck area a memorial with all of the trimmings and flourish.
     
  7. Noite Escura

    Noite Escura The unpredictable

    Just came to my mind now, how can so much buildings be affected by plane crashings? It's like a domino's falling. It sure demonstrate they were not prepared at all for this type of disaster. I can bet if this has happened in the western coast(were earthquakes use to happen) the damage would not be so great. Off course the towers were way higher than normal thus his collapse has strongly affected another buildings, but hey they use to consider this probabilities.
    They have to realize a plane crash it's not impossible, and if this buildings are going to be reconstructed, they'll be for sure lower or stronger or builded with more distance between.
     
  8. Gonzo

    Gonzo Infinitesimally Outrageous Staff Member

    Noite Escura
    The WTC bldgs are built to withstand 100+MPH winds from a hurricane & earthquakes. The problem is that jet fuel burns extremely hot & it melted the steel which in turn allowed EACH 6million pound floor to crash in upon each other-thus the lack of spread around mess. Look at the photo's-it's an awfully clean building collapse. Straight Down.

    The one intersting fact-there were NO fire sprinklers in that building, Would it have helped, unlikely bbut maybe.
     
  9. sin2

    sin2 New Member

    WTC is suppose to stand 200mph winds. Also the impact of the airplanes was equivalent to 1k ton bomb. Still looking at the initial impact, the buildings survived. It did it's job. If it was a missile it would've stood there. The problem is the jet fuel which burns intensly hot than regular gasoline.

    Structural steel is rated to last about an hour in instense heat. The straight downward collapse similar to implosion was part of the design. The engineers figured it's better to come straight down than have a 110 story building falling sideway.

    The design was excellent. Then again all skyscrapers were designed near perfection. Most damage in quakes are to smaller buildings that had poor structural designs. The larger building had so much safety factors calculated. Except burning jet fuel. Now who would've though of that?
     
  10. Gonzo

    Gonzo Infinitesimally Outrageous Staff Member

    Usama Bin-Laden :mad:
     
  11. Q

    Q stepmosnter Staff Member

    The WTC was also built to withstand the impact of a 707, which at the time of it's construction was the largest commercial aircraft available. It was also designed to withstand an earthquake with a rating of 7 or 8 on the Richter scale. The impact of the planes (much larger than a 707) did not compromise the structural integrity of the buildings. Like it was stated in previous posts the jet fuel was what ultimately caused the destruction...this would be something no engineer could forsee when designing any structure ( possibly an airport, but I kinda even doubt that). And although sprinklers might have prevented some of the injuries due to smoke inhalation, I seriously doubt they could have prevented the eventual collapse. The added weight of the water could have even hastened the collapse.
     
  12. Professur

    Professur Mushroom at large

    As for sprinklers, someone else can work out the specifics, but imagine the weight of a column of water 1000 ft high. Imagine the size of the pipes you'd need to contain that much pressure. Imagine the power of the pumps you'd need to push that weight of water up that high at a rate sufficient to operate sprinklers.

    Highrises use a system of tanks and pumps every few floors in order to keep the weight and pump strength reasonable. But that limits the volume of water to the upper floors to what can be provided by the lower floor's tanks, and it's refill rate. Many high rise buildings get arround this by maintaining a massive reservoir tank on the uppermost floors. But this gets harder and harder to support as the building gets taller. Beyond 30 stories or so, it's too heavy for the building to support.

    Therefore, they install firefighting stations on each floor, tied to that floor's tanks. Thatway the limited volume of water can be directed where it's most useful.
     
  13. unclehobart

    unclehobart this is my special title

    There is a way to make the steel invunerable to jet fuel. Its just that it made it too costly at the time. Remember that anything you own, drive on, go into was made by the lowest bidder... unless you happen to have some Cartier or Rolex gear laying about.

    Hindsight makes that cost seem fairly cheap by comparison.
     
  14. Noite Escura

    Noite Escura The unpredictable

    Hey you guys seem to know a lot about buildings. Anyway they have to be lower(shorter?) or more spaced. So much destruction can't happen again. I hope the insurance of the building include a clause for crashing planes.
    BTW did you noticed that even Hardware Central has allowed off-topic in this case? Last time I checked Eric Grevstad himself has opened the topic in the General forum.
     
  15. fury

    fury Administrator Staff Member

    I was watching the TV earlier today - they're asking for 11,000 body bags

    :(
     
  16. Q

    Q stepmosnter Staff Member

    The reason for 11,000 body bags is because each and every body part they find requires it's own seperate bag. They will not find even close to 11,000 bodies even if that is how hany were killed. If 256 floors of concrete and steel were reduced to a relatively small pile of rubble the bodies of the victims were reduced to ash as well :(
     
  17. Huge

    Huge Holla if you hear me! Staff Member

    Trinity, thanks for posting the pics. I just saw the lobby on tv a few minutes ago; a lot of debris fell through the glass structure but it looked pretty much intact. My bro-in-law's biggest client is AMEX and he is always going to 3WFC for meetings. I just got a call from my temp agency saying that Merrill Lynch is trying to set up a make shift office in midtown to resume work. Hopefully, I won't be out of work for long.

    My father wrote this over thirty years ago and if he were alive today, I don't think even he could imagine what has taken place here in Manhattan.
     
  18. trinity1

    trinity1 1 of 3

    Talk about irony, Huge!
    Was there actually a book published by your Father or was that excerpt part of some notes from a project he was working on?
    In any event - very interesting reading, and eerily prophetic.

    As I type this, I am in awe of the fact that more and more Fireman are being rescued and 2 guys that were able to walk and have been examined at St. Vincents are insisting that they go back to pitch in rescuing others! Talk about the Human determination and Spirit.
     
  19. Huge

    Huge Holla if you hear me! Staff Member

    Sorry for the delay in posting (the phones have been knocked out here since late Thurs), yes this was my father's first book (he was vp of some ad agency and hated it and switched to writing full time). Some of his books have made into movies, such as Hijacked which was renamed Skyjacked with Charleton Heston and a couple of low budget films, and a few lately of which haven't been credited to him (for which his publicist says copyrighting an idea is next to impossible) for "Volcano" and "Air Force One" from my father's "The Genesis Rock" and Air Force One", respectively.
     
  20. Huge

    Huge Holla if you hear me! Staff Member

    *bump*

    (or lest we forget?)

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