Opteron - your opinions
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PuterTutor
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I don't think that Intel will kill AMD. They are starting to get a foot in the door in large computers, granted many companies don't seem to care about cost when it comes to a $100,000 computer, but some do. I really doubt they will ever take over Intel anytime, but I think they will stay around as an annoyance. That and the desktop chips they make are great chips.
unclehobart
this is my special title
Do we have story linkage? Anything about specs? The ups and downs? Timing? Benefits, concerns, quirks, concerns?
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_4699_7981,00.html
Sorry.
My personal feeling is that they're going to take a short term dive as the traditionally stuffed-shirt server market refuses to ditch Intel chips. In September, when the desktop version comes out, you'll see some real life performance. If it lives up to expectations, I think the server boys are going to have to look again at a 64 bit solution which doesn't mandate a total software re-write.
However, that scenario gives Intel another 6 months to get with the X86-64 game.
Sorry.
My personal feeling is that they're going to take a short term dive as the traditionally stuffed-shirt server market refuses to ditch Intel chips. In September, when the desktop version comes out, you'll see some real life performance. If it lives up to expectations, I think the server boys are going to have to look again at a 64 bit solution which doesn't mandate a total software re-write.
However, that scenario gives Intel another 6 months to get with the X86-64 game.
Professur
Mushroom at large
Personally, I think this chip is gonna blow the webserver market apart. Linux is already storming through that market, and AMD chips abound. A solid 64 bit chip fully supporting and supported by Linux is a wet dream for that crowd.
Until they get full recognition from M$, it won't dent the apps server market. NT has too strong a strangle hold there. But if they can show a powerful 100% availability server ... well, that's where the Alpha found it's niche too.
Until they get full recognition from M$, it won't dent the apps server market. NT has too strong a strangle hold there. But if they can show a powerful 100% availability server ... well, that's where the Alpha found it's niche too.
Possibly. If Opteron is the hit I suspect it will be, that would boomerang on Redmond. Besides, if total crap coming form MS spelled doom for the industry, there wouldn't BE a computer industry. 
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,4248,1013113,00.asp
Mid 2003 for full support.
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,4248,1013113,00.asp
Mid 2003 for full support.
Justintime
Something
Interesting stuff. I wonder how well it wil compare to a released chip version. Apparently, I'm not the only one:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9046
Prof, I haven't seen one in release. Buttload of reference boards, though:
http://www.amdboard.com/k8boards.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9046
Prof, I haven't seen one in release. Buttload of reference boards, though:
http://www.amdboard.com/k8boards.html
Noite Escura
The unpredictable
I don't see how it can so much of a failure. I still trust in AMD's capability of doing a rocking chip. Intel's marketing won't keep them on the top forever...
Justintime
Something
Noite Escura said:
Yea, but its becoming ever so apparent that Intel is actually getting back into the clock speed + IPC game, along with some high fsbs to boot, the PIV is lookin better than it ever did.
Professur
Mushroom at large
The P4 is doing what it was always supposed to do. Be the basis for the next generation of CPUs. People often forget that the core of the PIII, PII, and Celreon was the old Ppro core. Advanced, and retuned, but still a chip that debutted at 150Mhz. They got that jalopy over a Gig. If they can pull off the same with the P4 core, and I think they can, it has the potential to top 7Ghz.
As for the Hz race, that's nothing more than a marketing tool now. It's meaningless. Right now, AMD does more per tick, but the tendancy now is to serial connections. AMD is still using a parallel philosophy. Intel has set up a technology that lets them do more total. "Specially in a tuned system, using the fastest ram going. A system with bottlenecks favours the AMD, for now.
As for the Hz race, that's nothing more than a marketing tool now. It's meaningless. Right now, AMD does more per tick, but the tendancy now is to serial connections. AMD is still using a parallel philosophy. Intel has set up a technology that lets them do more total. "Specially in a tuned system, using the fastest ram going. A system with bottlenecks favours the AMD, for now.